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ROMAN CATHOLICISM: DEBATE, PRO & CON

What is it?

AUTHOR TOPIC: What is it?
MYRNA
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#140851, posted 03-18-01 12:09 AM 

Check it out and guess what it is?

http://congress.la-archdiocese.org/

click on closing liturgy in the second column

Deacon Ed
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#140889, posted 03-18-01 09:03 AM

It appears to be people dressed in their native costumes. I did not attend the closing liturgy so I cannot say for sure when this took place, but in the past they have brought forward the gifts at the offertory, so I presume this could had happened at that time. Do you have a problem with people wearing their native clothing?

Deacon Ed

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Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides;
cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
-St. Augustine

MYRNA
Member
#140894, posted 03-18-01 09:23 AM

And nothing has changed???? Say again! What a joke you are, Deacon Ed.  Proving once again the changes are pagan, and are for the worship of MAN.  I remember the carnival or circus was outside the Church.

FYI...Deacon Ed, my son is married to a women who is a member of a tribe, and they have given me 4 beautiful grandchildren who are also members of the same tribe. I support them all in keeping their culture and often attend Pow Wows with them, which I enjoy; however I have never seen at any of the Pow Wows such immodesty as those pictures in question, and in A CHURCH!!! My daughter-in-law, herself would never think of taking her children into the church dressed in their native dance attire. They understand Mass is for the worship of God, not MAN. 

Midgie
Member

 

#140927, posted 03-18-01 03:10 PM 

Myrna, what takes place at a "Pow Wow?"

God bless you

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Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.

Deacon Ed
Moderator

 

 

#140965, posted 03-18-01 08:10 PM

Myrna,

I guess it all depends on which tribe you are talking about and where they are from. I've attended Mass in Navaho villages where the people were dressed in their native clothing. There was nothing remiss about it. I've attended several "American Indian Masses" (the presider was, in fact, an American Indian) and, although some of the ritual was definitely influenced by the Indian culture, there was nothing "pagan" about it.

In the pictures you reference I see nothing "immodest" and nothing that should cause scandal. That you are offended speaks more about you than about the situation itself. It appears you are unable to accept other cultures -- regardless of what you state about your daughter-in-law and your grandchildren.

Deacon Ed

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Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides;
cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
-St. Augustine

MYRNA
Member
#140994, posted 03-18-01 11:10 PM 

I believe there is a time and a place for everything good.
When at Mass we worship God, not man. 
At Pow Wows we celebrate a different culture and enjoy the tradition of Indian dance. 
A Pow Wow is not a Mass and neither is that liturgy pictured here on that particular web site. You have been so long outside the Church Deacon Ed, you forgot the standards of decency regarding dress for Catholics, Indians or otherwise. When a Catholic, we are Catholic FIRST.

I am not judging what goes on at different cultures and their events, but shocked at what is happening at what some believe is still a Catholic Mass, and worse they defend it. This only proves again that this strange innovation goes along with your new pagan Jesus 2000, and your new pagan goddess that will top the L.A. Cathedral that the enemy blasphemingly calls Mary.

Its not only L.A. but around the world that this pagan worship of Man is abound. Only in a few Vatican II churches one might still find some sanity.

=http://congress.la-archdiocese.org

gloria
Member

 

#141038, posted 03-19-01 10:21 AM

Deacon Ed,

You really take a beating here, and I'd just like to say, THANK YOU, so much, for all the time and patience you put into teaching the Word of God, through His Church. I'm also an avid reader of the EWTN Q&A Forum, and have seen how much Dr. Carroll  (Historian) appreciates your theological expertise.

God Bless,

gloria

Deacon Ed
Moderator
#141061, posted 03-19-01 03:19 PM 

Gloria,

Thank you for your kind words. As a follower of Jesus I expect to be mistreated and so, with faith, I persist as long as He allows me to draw breath.

Deacon Ed

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Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides;
cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
-St. Augustine

Deacon Ed
Moderator
#141060, posted 03-19-01 03:18 PM 

Myrna,

Your post still reveals your underlying bias that standards of decency and modesty are identical everywhere in the world. They are not. In Arab cultures it may be immodest for a woman to reveal bare arms or legs. In certain South American and South Pacific cultures there is nothing that is immodest except bared genitals. You seem to equate Catholicism with a Northern European set of mores which, by extension, are found in North America. Yet that particular set of mores is not particularly Catholic so much as it is Protestant and, specifically, Puritan!

When I attended Mass in the hogan of a small Navajo village the tribal medicine man was present (he's actually a trained EMT!) wearing his traditional garb, most of which is of pagan origin. Yet he is as devout a Catholic as I've ever met. At an Indian Mass offered in another setting the presider used an incense pot and an eagle feather for incensing the altar. This is not about worshipping "man" but about being authentically who we are when we offer ourselves to God.

Deacon Ed

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Est autem fides credere quod nondum vides;
cuius fidei merces est videre quod credis.
-St. Augustine

 

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